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Sold: 1972 Fender Precision (P-bass), Olympic White Refinish

SOLD!!



This Fender Precision was repaired and refinished and assembled from a bunch of vintage parts I collected over time.  I had always wanted to build an Olympic White with Tortoise Guard P-bass, as I think the creamy color of the aged Olympic White looks great with the brownish-red of a vintage tortoise guard.  So I assembled this example, but now have decided to part with it as I have more than half a dozen vintage Precisions and I really don't need that many.

The body is refinished with a '60s style nitro finish: yellow stain, clear sealer coat, flat white primer, Olympic White color coat and a tinted clear topcoat.  The tinting of the clear coat was done such that there is a "shadow" under the pickguard, neckplate, bridge and bridge cover with those areas yellowed less than the exposed areas of the body (see below).




The resulting bass weighs in at almost exactly 8 lbs with the chromed bridge and pickup covers on.  The 70s grey-bottom pickup (10.8K Ohm resistance) is powerful and sounds great (like they all do!) and the bass plays well. The neck has a tiny amount of relief ( 1/32nd of an inch) and plays well up and down the neck and intonates pretty accurately as currently set up.

The bass is not a mint-condition restoration, but is also priced accordingly at about half of what an original sunburst '72 P-bass sells for currently.

The bass comes in a kind of beat-up but solid early 70's Fender bass case with a fairly rare rootbeer colored lining - I originally got the case with a mutilated '73 Jazz bass that was brought to the US from London, so maybe its an export Fender case?  It has the correct 1972 - 1975 Fender logo on it.

This bass is located in the Boston area and is available for in-person examination if you're local.  For those outside of the Boston area, shipping will be extra - please contact me with your location and I will give you a quote for shipping via FedEx or USPS.

I accept payment by cashier's cheque/money order, cash in person or Paypal - though there will be an additional charge to cover Paypal expenses (approx. 3 1/2% of total).

Please direct all inquiries to me via email:  krishna@guitargarage.net  - with something like "'72 P-bass" in the subject line so I don't miss your email if it ends up in my spam folder.







Details

The majority of the parts ARE correct for a 1972 Fender Precision, but they are from different instruments originally.

The vintage parts include:
- 1972    B-width neck, refretted and refinished with repro logo
- 1970 - 1973 alder body, with routing repairs and refinished in aged Olympic White
- 1970s  grey-bottom Fender P-bass pickup
- 1969 - 1972 Fender bridge with extended G saddle screw
- 1968 - 1975 Fender 4-ply tortoise guard, with chip at point near output jack
- 1972 - 1975 "F" tuners & bushings
- 1972 - 1973 Fender hardcase, with rootbeer-colored lining






The reproduction parts include:
- chrome bridge & pickup covers
- strap-buttons
- F-logo neckplate
- pots, knobs and output jack
- various screws
- thumbrest
- nut








Body repair and refinishing

The body is a vintage Fender body, from between late 1969 and early 1973, based on the following characteristics:
- two dowel-pin marks on back, one on the body centerline near the butt of the body and one just inside the bass side cutaway (P-bass bodies from late 1967 through about 1979)
- placement of the bridge closer to the edge of the body (1969 til late 72/early73)
- no channel routed from control cavity to pickup (1958 through early 1973)
- remnants of yellow stain, which would have been applied under the finish (approx 1960 - 1973)

Most likely this was originally a sunburst body, though its hard to tell with all the modifications and refinishes its had over the past 40 years.


The front of the body is where the real mayhem has occurred !!  The body had been routed and plugged once before I even got it - for a large bridge pickup and a larger pickup in the stock middle position, as well as routing for a switch at the bass side of the pickguard and for an extra control/and or battery under the guard adjacent to the stock control cavity.

I plugged all the routed areas with alder - using epoxy as the adhesive to minimize shrinkage over the long term.  I feel that using a glue with water content (such as Titebond or hide glue) will swell up the glued-in plugs - more so than the surrounding wood - but this swelling subsides VERY slowly - especially once the plugs are sealed up and finished over (on the order of 3 months to over a year).  Using a two-part epoxy, there is little to no moisture introduced - and the epoxy itself has minimal shrinkage and is very tough/strong.

I then re-routed the pickup cavity and the edge of the control cavity - the results before finishing are visible below.


And here's the body with the flat white primer coat applied - ready for the color coats.


Once the color coats had been applied and wet sanded, then the entire body was clear-coated, with a VERY slight amber tinting to take some of the edge off the blinding whiteness. Note the back of the original tortoise guard - with some factory marks (9) and grounding foil applied.




At the correct angle, the outlines of the plugs for the bridge pickup and the switch near the pickguard edge are just visible - click on pictures for expanded views.








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1959 Fender Precision: Restoring One of the Quintessential Electric Basses




Precision Bass History

The 3rd generation Fender Precision Bass was introduced during 1958 and established what most of us know as "the P-bass".  More than 50 years later, Fender is still making the Precision Bass with no significant changes - "if its not broke, don't fix it".

The first generation Precision came out in 1951 and was a simple instrument in the vein of the Fender Broadcaster/Telecaster guitars that Fender had debuted a mere two years earlier.  The body was slab of ash, with a one-piece maple neck, a simple single-coil pickup (more or less a 4-pole piece version of the Telecaster guitar's bridge pickup) and a very simple two-saddle bridge.  The headstock shape was similar to that on the Telecaster guitar as well - just scaled up to fit four big Kluson bass tuners.

The second generation Precision had a similar body profile, but instead of slab body incorporated the front and back contouring and scoops that had been introduced on the Fender Stratocaster guitar in 1954 - the edges of the Precision body was also rounded with a much larger radius - making bass more comfortable to play, since the back edge wouldn't dig into the player's ribs and the upper front edge wouldn't cut into their forearm.  The contours also shaved some weight off the body.  The bridge, pickup and other hardware remained generally the same, as did the maple neck.

The 3rd generation Precision had the most changes and established the blue-print for the Fender P-bass for the next 50+ years.   Perhaps the most significant change was to the pickup, which now took the form of a staggered two-coil humbucker, which had a very different sound from the old single-coil design.  The bridge, while still very simple, now had separately adjustable saddles for each string allowing for better intonation.  The anodized aluminum pickguard acted as a mount and shielding for the electronics, which combined with the humbucking pickup made the instrument much less prone to stray electronic noise.   The body was essentially the same as the 1954 version, though the new pickguard gave it a different appearance. The neck was different in that it now incorporated a headstock more like the Stratocaster guitar rather than the Telecaster was also slimmer in profile (front to back) - though Fender's from the era do vary from instrument to instrument.



'59 P-bass from Idaho

So onto the subject of this post - which is a 1959 Fender Precision that has a good 50+ years of play under its belt - and a number of refinishes as well.   The bass belongs to a client in Idaho, who acquired the bass, pretty much in the condition seen below, roughly 20 years ago.

He had always intended on refinishing the instrument, but had just never gotten around to it. However, through a combination of fret wear and nut wear, the bass had slowly become unplayable and he finally contacted me around the middle of last year (2011) to see if I though it was possible to restore his bass - and of course, if it was affordable.

He sent me a set of pictures - some of which are below.  Cosmetically, the biggest issue was that the bass had been stripped, stained and then BRUSHED with some sort of shellac (see the second picture). The gold anodized aluminum pickguard had also been spray painted black and then back of the neck had been sprayed with some sort of clear finish as well.

Functionally, the biggest issue was that the frets and neck had been worn deeply in a few positions - namely the 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th position.  As the owner said, "the cowboy chords" !!

I told him I'd most likely have to do a partial or complete refret but try to save the original finish on the fretboard - and that I'd try to strip the body clean for a 2-color burst, but that if it didn't come out clean, we'd have the reversionary option of a blonde finish.

On the plus side, it appeared that ALL of the hardware was original with the exception of the bridge cover and a few missing pickguard screws.


Really ?  Someone thought black Krylon looked better than anodized gold ?
Gotta love those stained scratches and brush marks !! 

Heavy playing wear at the "dots" !!



I received the bass and after inspecting it, I wanted to see if I could at least get it playable.  The strings were more or less sitting on the frets and I suspect that the owner had inadvertently switched to a lighter gauge set of strings which effectively made the nut slots too low and the neck tension too high.

I built up the nut slots with some baking soda and superglue and then refiled them to a better height and width. I also loosened up the truss rod a little - fixed a loose ground - and then bass played!  The action was SUPER low, but at least now it was working.  The first 10 frets were VERY worn and grooved whereas the higher ones weren't grooved at all!

I then started the disassembly to see what I had to work with. The first obstacle I ran into was that the neck was STUCK to the body - and I mean literally stuck - like it was glued in !!

I tried just prying it loose at first - but I was worried about either ripping a chuck out of the softer alder body - or even worse, damaging the neck !!

I ended up working a very thin palate knife between the body and the neck - the neck still wouldn't come loose, so I stood the bass on end and dripped denatured alcohol into the small gap using a small paint brush.  After doing this several times and waiting a few minutes - I then used my hands to try to pry the neck loose - and "POP!!" - out it came !!

Once the neck was out, it became obvious what was holding it stuck in place - the remnants of a lime green paint job that had gotten softened by the prior stripping and then acted as a glue to hold the neck in place.



What's really horrifying is to imagine this '59 P-bass sprayed lime green - presumably sometime during the early 80s ...



Remarkably - the penciled neck date DID survive all of this - and sure enough, read "2-59" - February 1959.   The pickup cavity had a different date - "12/58" - which is not unusual for Fender instruments, since they are essentially modular - and were assembled from a stack of bodies and necks and other hardware, with the dates usually ranging over a few months.



Next came the stripping process - to assess whether or not the factory 2-color sunburst would be feasible on the stained body.  I decided to use my random orbital sander, a palm sander and a sanding block to remove the finish as I was worried a chemical stripper might actually soak the stain further into the wood.  I started with relatively heavy 150 grit disks to cut down the brushed on finish, and then switched to 220 grit and 320 grit disks.

With the palm sander and sanding block I used 100 grit and 220 grit, plus some free hand sanding in places like the inside of the cutaways.   I wanted to get rid of the stained scratches but of course not remove a noticeable amount of wood. In the end, the stain was only on the surface of the alder body and came off remarkably cleanly!




Traces of the original finish could be seen in the pickup and control cavity routings.



The pickguard was also stripped - using Citristrip paint stripper - which took the black paint off cleanly, requiring only a plastic scraper and then a rag soaked in acetone to get it completely clean.


Stripped guard - showing player's wear through to aluminum.  Partially defretted neck at top.


I also carefully removed the first 10 frets - taking care to not chip the fretboard or finish as I pulled them.



Based on the results of the stripping, the client and I decided that a 2-color burst was the finish to go for and then I'd also refinish and somewhat "relic" the back of the neck, but leave the original finish alone on the fretboard and definitely on the headstock face (the logo was in surprisingly good condition!)


The 2-color burst is a little bit of a tricky finish - because though its just two colors, it can often look like a faded 3-color Fender burst - especially given the inconsistent reproduction of colors in some guitar books.   The client and I searched the internet for various original 1958 and 1959 P-basses and also pictures of Fender's recent custom shop reissues.  After agreeing on a few images I set about trying to reproduce the finish.

The base finish is a transparent ambered yellow - with a decidely more "orange" tint that the strong lemon yellow transparent color that serves as the base for a later 3-color burst.  I also had some remaining finish in the body routings to refer to.

The dark edging is a fairly transparent dark brown, with a reddish element mixed in - which looks very red when it is "misted" over the amber base coat - thereby giving the impression of a soft 3-color burst.

Some of the ambering of the base color is from aging of the clear coat, so I decided to mix a base color from Stew-Macs "vintage amber" and  "lemon yellow" dye and then a second base color that had more "vintage amber" and a tiny dab of "cherry".   

For the edging, I mixed Stew-Mac's "medium brown" with some "cherry" and then a little "walnut" to darken it up more.  I mixed this so that it would require several passes to get an opaque color - so that I'd be able to get the soft fade of the edge I wanted.

Before I started painting, I sealed the body with multiple coats of sanding sealer and sanded it, to get a smooth base to work from.  

I then sprayed the more yellow base coat to get an even tint across the whole body - and then applied a coat of the more ambered color to darken it and give it more depth.

I switched to the brown edging color, first doing the edges of the body, and then working on the fade - trying to avoid the tendency to apply TOO much of the darker color.  After carefully "dusting" off overspray dust from the center of the body, brushing outwards with my hand, I sealed the finish with a single pass of clear.

First pass of 2-color burst with guard in place
Notice blushing, which appears pinkish


I liked how the finish was looking, but it was too transparent on some of the edges, particularly around the horns of the body and there were a few areas that the fade needed to be a little wider - and there was also what appeared to be some "blushing" in the darker areas. 

I realized the blushing was from the using too much "Smoothie" additive in the clearcoat and the brown tinted portion of the finish.

I mixed a new batch of the brown edging, but without Smoothie and tinted a little heavier - and did a very light overspray of the edging - evening it out in the process as well.

I also sealed this with several coats of clear gloss - and I was very happy with the results !




I also unmasked the control and pickup cavities, and the new finish matched the remnants of the old finish almost perfectly !




While the finish on the body was curing - I turned my attention to the neck.  I refretted the first ten slots with narrow "vintage" fretwire, but the new frets were still substantially taller than the 53 year old original frets, probably more due to wear and dressing than a difference in size.

When installing the new frets, I was very careful in cleaning out the fretslots and not overcutting them. Even though it would be pretty obvious that the neck had a partial refret, I didn't want it to be TOO glaring !!  I also made every effort to not damage the original finish on the fretboard.  I trimmed the fret-tangs to the correct length for each fret before installation (using the Stewmac fret tang trimmer) - and then applied a small amount of glue to the tang before gently hammering them in and then clamping each fret til it dried.

Once the frets were all in - I had to level the first ten down to the level of the remaining original frets - which meant just going slow.  I used a radiused sanding block with 80 grit Stickit paper on it to do the rough leveling - then switched to a finer grit before working on each fret individually. 

The fret ends on the treble-side of the fretboard were particularly difficult to do in the areas where the wood was heavily worn.  I didn't want to over file - but I also didn't want sharp edges to snag fingers.  I ended up putting a small drop of thick cyanocrylate glue under the tip of the frets that were protruding (3 of them) and then gently and subtly rounding off the fret ends til they were comfortable.  The little bit of glue under the end of the fret keeps the players fingers from snagging the bottom edge of the fret (where it SHOULD be meeting wood if it weren't worn away!).

All in all - I was happy with how the fretboard felt and looked when I was done.






I had already sanded the back of the neck bare - I even had to dip the tuners in acetone to strip shellac off them - someone had simply sprayed the whole back of the neck, with the tuners in place !! No wonder they were stiff !!

I did a multistep finishing process here:
- a clear gloss coat to seal the wood
- a tinted amber coat (a mix of Vintage Amber and some Brown dye)
- then I lightly sanded the finish and rubbed it with a water/pumice mixture
- I rubbed in a mix of black and burnt siena powdered dye
- sprayed another light clear coat
- dulled the clear coat with water/pumice mixture again

I probably could drop or combine a few steps here and there, but this allowed me to progress towards the look and feel I wanted.   I have a '65 Jaguar with perfect neck wear and one day I hope to be able to replicate that finish !

Pumice/water in red bowl - powdered stain in cut tin can to right.



Finally came the time for wet sanding and buffing out the body - and reassembly.   And here are the final results !!










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SOLD!!: 1976 Fender Precision Bass, Olympic White

The mid-70s Fender Precision bass in Olympic White with a black pickguard was the weapon of choice for the one and only Dee Dee Ramone - I remember seeing the Ramone's countless times in New Jersey and New York - and Dee Dee had as many as three identical Olympic White P-basses lined up and ready to rock - along with a couple of big old Ampeg SVT rigs.




And despite their ash bodies - you can see that Dee Dee was pretty agile even with those P-basses around his neck!


The bass I'm selling was assembled over several years as parts came my way and I had some time between other projects - and has turned out as an exceptional example of this 70s rock workhorse.

I originally acquired the neck as a project piece that had been defretted and had the fret slots filled with Bondo. I found the body a little later on Ebay - it had numerous refinishes capped with a horrendous blue spray can paint job on it and an added rout for a Jazz Bass pickup and an extra pot.

I refinished the fretboard,refretted the neck, stripped the body, plugged the added rout and began a refinish. A few pictures from this initial work are below. The router table pin marks, the ground wire rout under the bridge, the hand rest and bridge position, and the wiring rout for the pickup all identify this body as being from between 1974 and 1977.



I went as far as priming and putting a coat of Olympic white on the body, but then put aside the project for a few years.


Recently, I revisited the project and realized I had most of the parts I needed - including a 70s Fender bridge, a 1976 P-bass pickup, the bridge and pickup covers, and a complete set of late 70s Schaller-made Fender bass tuners. I hadn't plugged a small rout for an added control pot, so I plugged that and then reprimed the body.

For the finish - I applied a straight white nitro base coat, followed by a cream-tinted white coat, to replicate the aging of the color coat on 70s Olympic White Fenders. This was then followed by a few clear coats to protect the color coats. This will cause the finish to wear slightly differently than a typical 60s Olympic White Fender, where most of the yellowing happens in the clear coat. Note how the yellowed Olympic White contrasts with a plain white piece of paper!




Also note that the Jazz bass routing repair is invisible - I expect since this repair was done several years ago it will stay fairly invisible.


My observation is that the 70s polyester finishes weren't even clear coated - the yellowing happens in the top part of the actual color coat. I'd love to know if this is what others have observed as well ??

But even if that is true, this body will wear differently due to the thinner nitro finish, as opposed to the thick polyester finish that would have been applied at the factory.

The bass fit together beautifully - with a good tight neck pocket fit. Once it was set up, the frets did need some dressing here and there, but the neck flattened out almost perfectly once the truss rod was tensioned up. The neck now has about 1/64 inch of relief around 10th fret - with near perfect intonation and fairly low action.

The pickup sounds a little brighter than the pickup in my 1970 P-bass, but has the classic grey-bottom pickup sound. The pickup resistance was a little over 11K Ohms. Note that the original grounding plate and weather-stripping material "pads" are in place as well.



The tuners are correct for 1976, though I do believe that some early 1976 P-basses came with the Fender produced tuners before the switch to the Schaller-manufactured tuners later in the year. The tuners were acquired from two different sources - two of them are in near mint condition and two of them were heavily machine polished to the point where the plating is gone from the top of one of the string pegs. The ferrules in the neck are new, as is the nut.




The bridge is an original 70s Fender bridge in excellent condition, with the crease visible on the string anchor portion of the neck.




Finally, the bass comes in a rare brown-burgundy lined original Fender hardshell case. The brown-burgundy lining was used only during the 1975/1976 era - most cases were lined with the familiar orange material. The case is in excellent condition as is the exterior Fender logo.



The inside of the bridge and pickup covers bear remnants of what appear to be red or burgundy ink inspection stamps - very faint.



Ready to rock in front of my beloved Ampeg B-15N !!


The following parts are not original 70s Fender parts:
- 3-ply black-white-black pickguard
- black thumbrest
- new CTS pots, capacitor, jack and knobs
- pickguard screws, neck screws and bridge screws

All in all a really nice bass that plays great, with near-perfect intonation and low action - with a total weight just under 9 lbs with the covers on - not bad for a 70s Precision; this isn't one of the late 70s "boat anchor" Precisions (I have one of those coming up for sale soon though !!).

UPDATE: SOLD! Thanks to Eoin of the Emerald Isle - hope you enjoy the bass !!
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